A Photo from a friends Living room .

[John]

This is a cell phone photo one of several taken of a living room in or near Lufkin Texas of a friend of mine after her dog became spooked . This is the only photo that had anything out of the ordinary to show up in it also . Kat has asked me to move it to the main forum for more discussion and everyone to see you can go to my photos and see her enhancement if she doesn't put it here with her comments also . Well I hope I've got it in the right place and this works out . I've downloaded and put the enhanced by Kats version here also if they show up .
Thanks John

[Tkay - Moderator]

Not getting the right EXIF information, do you have the original? It is not giving me all the information.

[John]

No Tkay , I have asked her to join the group and sent the links I hope she will then we can get more from her and maybe the data I don't think she had lightened this one as she said she had been sick and had not felt like working with it but I don't know for sure , If you want to get a copy from my photobucket site here's the link
( http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee135/kentuckycowboy2/ )
John

[Bathory313]

Hmmmmmmm...........according to the program I used to examine the photo (JPEGSnoop) the photo has been edited.

JPEGsnoop 1.4.1 by Calvin Hass
http://www.impulseadventure.com/photo/
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Filename: [C:\Users\dell\Desktop\Spooky.jpg]
Filesize: [51383] Bytes

Start Offset: 0x00000000
*** Marker: SOI (xFFD8) ***
OFFSET: 0x00000000

*** Marker: APP1 (xFFE1) ***
OFFSET: 0x00000002
length = 4625
Identifier = [Exif]
Identifier TIFF = 0x[49492A00 08000000]
Endian = Intel (little)
TAG Mark x002A = 0x002A

EXIF IFD0 @ Absolute 0x00000014
Dir Length = 0x0005
[XResolution ] = 72/1
[YResolution ] = 72/1
[ResolutionUnit ] = Inch
[YCbCrPositioning ] = Centered
[ExifOffset ] = @ 0x005A
Offset to Next IFD = 0x000000D7

EXIF IFD1 @ Absolute 0x000000E3
Dir Length = 0x0007
[Compression ] = JPEG
[XResolution ] = 720000/10000
[YResolution ] = 720000/10000
[ResolutionUnit ] = Inch
[JpegIFOffset ] = @ +0x0141 = @ 0x014D
[JpegIFByteCount ] = 4280
[YCbCrPositioning ] = Co-sited
Offset to Next IFD = 0x00000000

EXIF SubIFD @ Absolute 0x00000066
Dir Length = 0x0007
[ExifVersion ] = 02.21
[ComponentsConfiguration ] = [Y Cb Cr .]
[FlashPixVersion ] = 01.00
[ColorSpace ] = sRGB
[ExifImageWidth ] = 604
[ExifImageHeight ] = 800
[ExifInteroperabilityOffset ] = @ 0x00B4

EXIF InteropIFD @ Absolute 0x000000C0
Dir Length = 0x0002
[InteroperabilityIndex ] = "...."
[InteroperabilityVersion ] =

*** Marker: SOF0 (Baseline DCT) (xFFC0) ***
OFFSET: 0x00001215
Frame header length = 17
Precision = 8
Number of Lines = 800
Samples per Line = 604
Image Size = 604 x 800
Raw Image Orientation = Portrait
Number of Img components = 3
Component[1]: ID=0x01, Samp Fac=0x22 (Subsamp 1 x 1), Quant Tbl Sel=0x00 (Lum: Y)
Component[2]: ID=0x02, Samp Fac=0x11 (Subsamp 2 x 2), Quant Tbl Sel=0x01 (Chrom: Cb)
Component[3]: ID=0x03, Samp Fac=0x11 (Subsamp 2 x 2), Quant Tbl Sel=0x01 (Chrom: Cr)

*** Marker: DQT (xFFDB) ***
Define a Quantization Table.
OFFSET: 0x00001228
Table length = 132
----
Precision=8 bits
Destination ID=0 (Luminance)
DQT, Row #0: 5 3 3 5 7 13 16 20
DQT, Row #1: 3 3 4 6 8 19 19 18
DQT, Row #2: 4 4 5 7 13 18 22 18
DQT, Row #3: 4 5 7 9 16 28 26 20
DQT, Row #4: 5 7 12 18 22 35 33 25
DQT, Row #5: 7 11 18 21 26 34 37 30
DQT, Row #6: 16 21 25 28 33 39 39 33
DQT, Row #7: 23 30 31 32 36 32 33 32
Approx quality factor = 84.32 (scaling=31.37 variance=3.11)
----
Precision=8 bits
Destination ID=1 (Chrominance)
DQT, Row #0: 5 5 7 15 21 32 32 32
DQT, Row #1: 5 6 8 21 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #2: 7 8 18 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #3: 15 21 32 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #4: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #5: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #6: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #7: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
Approx quality factor = 84.14 (scaling=31.72 variance=2.97)

*** Marker: DHT (Define Huffman Table) (xFFC4) ***
OFFSET: 0x000012AE
Huffman table length = 418
----
Destination ID = 0
Class = 0 (DC / Lossless Table)
Codes of length 01 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 02 bits (001 total): 00
Codes of length 03 bits (005 total): 01 02 03 04 05
Codes of length 04 bits (001 total): 06
Codes of length 05 bits (001 total): 07
Codes of length 06 bits (001 total): 08
Codes of length 07 bits (001 total): 09
Codes of length 08 bits (001 total): 0A
Codes of length 09 bits (001 total): 0B
Codes of length 10 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 11 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 12 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 13 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 14 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 15 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 16 bits (000 total):
Total number of codes: 012

----
Destination ID = 0
Class = 1 (AC Table)
Codes of length 01 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 02 bits (002 total): 01 02
Codes of length 03 bits (001 total): 03
Codes of length 04 bits (003 total): 00 04 11
Codes of length 05 bits (003 total): 05 12 21
Codes of length 06 bits (002 total): 31 41
Codes of length 07 bits (004 total): 06 13 51 61
Codes of length 08 bits (003 total): 07 22 71
Codes of length 09 bits (005 total): 14 32 81 91 A1
Codes of length 10 bits (005 total): 08 23 42 B1 C1
Codes of length 11 bits (004 total): 15 52 D1 F0
Codes of length 12 bits (004 total): 24 33 62 72
Codes of length 13 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 14 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 15 bits (001 total): 82
Codes of length 16 bits (125 total): 09 0A 16 17 18 19 1A 25 26 27 28 29 2A 34 35 36
37 38 39 3A 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 4A 53 54 55 56
57 58 59 5A 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 6A 73 74 75 76
77 78 79 7A 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 8A 92 93 94 95
96 97 98 99 9A A2 A3 A4 A5 A6 A7 A8 A9 AA B2 B3
B4 B5 B6 B7 B8 B9 BA C2 C3 C4 C5 C6 C7 C8 C9 CA
D2 D3 D4 D5 D6 D7 D8 D9 DA E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6 E7
E8 E9 EA F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 FA
Total number of codes: 162

----
Destination ID = 1
Class = 0 (DC / Lossless Table)
Codes of length 01 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 02 bits (003 total): 00 01 02
Codes of length 03 bits (001 total): 03
Codes of length 04 bits (001 total): 04
Codes of length 05 bits (001 total): 05
Codes of length 06 bits (001 total): 06
Codes of length 07 bits (001 total): 07
Codes of length 08 bits (001 total): 08
Codes of length 09 bits (001 total): 09
Codes of length 10 bits (001 total): 0A
Codes of length 11 bits (001 total): 0B
Codes of length 12 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 13 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 14 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 15 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 16 bits (000 total):
Total number of codes: 012

----
Destination ID = 1
Class = 1 (AC Table)
Codes of length 01 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 02 bits (002 total): 00 01
Codes of length 03 bits (001 total): 02
Codes of length 04 bits (002 total): 03 11
Codes of length 05 bits (004 total): 04 05 21 31
Codes of length 06 bits (004 total): 06 12 41 51
Codes of length 07 bits (003 total): 07 61 71
Codes of length 08 bits (004 total): 13 22 32 81
Codes of length 09 bits (007 total): 08 14 42 91 A1 B1 C1
Codes of length 10 bits (005 total): 09 23 33 52 F0
Codes of length 11 bits (004 total): 15 62 72 D1
Codes of length 12 bits (004 total): 0A 16 24 34
Codes of length 13 bits (000 total):
Codes of length 14 bits (001 total): E1
Codes of length 15 bits (002 total): 25 F1
Codes of length 16 bits (119 total): 17 18 19 1A 26 27 28 29 2A 35 36 37 38 39 3A 43
44 45 46 47 48 49 4A 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 5A 63
64 65 66 67 68 69 6A 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 7A 82
83 84 85 86 87 88 89 8A 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99
9A A2 A3 A4 A5 A6 A7 A8 A9 AA B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 B7
B8 B9 BA C2 C3 C4 C5 C6 C7 C8 C9 CA D2 D3 D4 D5
D6 D7 D8 D9 DA E2 E3 E4 E5 E6 E7 E8 E9 EA F2 F3
F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 FA
Total number of codes: 162


*** Marker: SOS (Start of Scan) (xFFDA) ***
OFFSET: 0x00001452
Scan header length = 12
Number of img components = 3
Component[1]: selector=0x01, table=0x00
Component[2]: selector=0x02, table=0x11
Component[3]: selector=0x03, table=0x11
Spectral selection = 0 .. 63
Successive approximation = 0x00


*** Decoding SCAN Data ***
OFFSET: 0x00001460
Scan Decode Mode: No IDCT (DC only)
NOTE: Low-resolution DC component shown. Can decode full-res with [Options->Scan Segment->Full IDCT]

Scan Data encountered marker 0xFFD9 @ 0x0000C8B5.0

Compression stats:
Compression Ratio: 31.40:1
Bits per pixel: 0.76:1

Huffman code histogram stats:
Huffman Table: (Dest ID: 0, Class: DC)
# codes of length 01 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 02 bits: 1159 ( 15%)
# codes of length 03 bits: 5592 ( 74%)
# codes of length 04 bits: 490 ( 6%)
# codes of length 05 bits: 218 ( 3%)
# codes of length 06 bits: 133 ( 2%)
# codes of length 07 bits: 8 ( 0%)
# codes of length 08 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 09 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 10 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 11 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 12 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 13 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 14 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 15 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 16 bits: 0 ( 0%)

Huffman Table: (Dest ID: 1, Class: DC)
# codes of length 01 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 02 bits: 2910 ( 77%)
# codes of length 03 bits: 564 ( 15%)
# codes of length 04 bits: 256 ( 7%)
# codes of length 05 bits: 56 ( 1%)
# codes of length 06 bits: 13 ( 0%)
# codes of length 07 bits: 1 ( 0%)
# codes of length 08 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 09 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 10 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 11 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 12 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 13 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 14 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 15 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 16 bits: 0 ( 0%)

Huffman Table: (Dest ID: 0, Class: AC)
# codes of length 01 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 02 bits: 26858 ( 47%)
# codes of length 03 bits: 4332 ( 8%)
# codes of length 04 bits: 15694 ( 28%)
# codes of length 05 bits: 4932 ( 9%)
# codes of length 06 bits: 2155 ( 4%)
# codes of length 07 bits: 1406 ( 2%)
# codes of length 08 bits: 622 ( 1%)
# codes of length 09 bits: 409 ( 1%)
# codes of length 10 bits: 159 ( 0%)
# codes of length 11 bits: 25 ( 0%)
# codes of length 12 bits: 15 ( 0%)
# codes of length 13 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 14 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 15 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 16 bits: 18 ( 0%)

Huffman Table: (Dest ID: 1, Class: AC)
# codes of length 01 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 02 bits: 6709 ( 64%)
# codes of length 03 bits: 986 ( 9%)
# codes of length 04 bits: 1564 ( 15%)
# codes of length 05 bits: 870 ( 8%)
# codes of length 06 bits: 317 ( 3%)
# codes of length 07 bits: 25 ( 0%)
# codes of length 08 bits: 36 ( 0%)
# codes of length 09 bits: 3 ( 0%)
# codes of length 10 bits: 2 ( 0%)
# codes of length 11 bits: 1 ( 0%)
# codes of length 12 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 13 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 14 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 15 bits: 0 ( 0%)
# codes of length 16 bits: 1 ( 0%)

YCC clipping in DC:
Y component: [<0= 0] [>255= 0]
Cb component: [<0= 0] [>255= 0]
Cr component: [<0= 0] [>255= 0]

RGB clipping in DC:
R component: [<0= 0] [>255= 0]
G component: [<0= 0] [>255= 0]
B component: [<0= 0] [>255= 0]

Brightest Pixel Search:
YCC=[ 1015, -10, 0] RGB=[254,254,250] @ MCU[ 35, 10]

Finished Decoding SCAN Data
Number of RESTART markers decoded: 0
Next position in scan buffer: Offset 0x0000C8B5.0


*** Marker: EOI (End of Image) (xFFD9) ***
OFFSET: 0x0000C8B5


*** Embedded JPEG Thumbnail ***
Offset: 0x0000014D
Length: 0x000010B8 (4280)

* Embedded Thumb Marker: SOI

* Embedded Thumb Marker: SOF
Frame header length = 17
Precision = 8
Number of Lines = 160
Samples per Line = 121
Image Size = 121 x 160

* Embedded Thumb Marker: DQT
Length = 132
----
Precision=0 bits
Destination ID=0 (Luminance)
DQT, Row #0: 5 3 3 5 7 13 16 20
DQT, Row #1: 3 3 4 6 8 19 19 18
DQT, Row #2: 4 4 5 7 13 18 22 18
DQT, Row #3: 4 5 7 9 16 28 26 20
DQT, Row #4: 5 7 12 18 22 35 33 25
DQT, Row #5: 7 11 18 21 26 34 37 30
DQT, Row #6: 16 21 25 28 33 39 39 33
DQT, Row #7: 23 30 31 32 36 32 33 32
----
Precision=0 bits
Destination ID=1 (Chrominance)
DQT, Row #0: 5 5 7 15 21 32 32 32
DQT, Row #1: 5 6 8 21 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #2: 7 8 18 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #3: 15 21 32 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #4: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #5: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #6: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32
DQT, Row #7: 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32

* Embedded Thumb Marker: DHT
Length = 418

* Embedded Thumb Marker: SOS
Skipping scan data
Skipped 3701 bytes

* Embedded Thumb Marker: EOI

* Embedded Thumb Signature: 01FCFCF3A141AD36CF428A22998AD4B8

*** Searching Compression Signatures ***

Signature: 01FCFCF3A141AD36CF428A22998AD4B8
Signature (Rotated): 015BB7E82190AF03D7E0B2947137AC6B
File Offset: 0 bytes
Chroma subsampling: 2x2
EXIF Make/Model: NONE
EXIF Makernotes: NONE
EXIF Software: NONE

Searching Compression Signatures: (3327 built-in, 0 user(*) )

EXIF.Make / Software EXIF.Model Quality Subsamp Match?
------------------------- ----------------------------------- ---------------- --------------

Based on the analysis of compression characteristics and EXIF metadata:

ASSESSMENT: Class 1 - Image is processed/edited


Sorry.

[Kat - Administrator]

Which picture...John's original? or mine?

Because I took the picture and only lighten it up a bit so I could see the details of the ghostly figure in the corner.

The reason being was that the picture was taken by a cell phone.

[Bathory313]

The original; "Spooky JPG".

[John]

I have asked her to join us here and will ask for a org if she worked on it .
John

[John]

I think she is going to join us , I see jpeg snoop has a few issues with false negatives esp from older cameras and when they've been up and down loaded also .
John

[Caniswalensis]

I can see what plainly looks like a figure, but I have to ask myself: Is it really a figure?

I see what appears to be a robed floating figure with maybe a hand & a twisted face in the corner.

On closer examination, I see that the dark robe part of the figure is clearly the shadow of the curtain & valence being cast by the strong light outside the window.

Not really sure what the hand and face are caused by, but when I discount the robe, the imllusion if a figure is destroyed. The two lighter blobs no longer look like a hand and face to me.

I think this might be a case of pareidolia.

Regards, Canis

[Bathory313]

Yes, I see what you mean, Canis........like this?

[Caniswalensis]

Hi Bath,

Yes, that is basically what I am talking about. Thank you for the visual aids! :)

Regards, Canis

[Gail]

This photo was taken in my living room. After reading the reply by Bathory313, I went to the website for the program used to examine the photo. I downloaded it myself and checked the photo. I got the same results. I tried it on photos that I know are original and authenic because I took them with a Sony camera. It showed some of those to be "edited" or "processed". I contacted the inventor of that program. He responded to me today. He explained why it shows to be "edited" or "Processed" The photo was taken with a cell phone. Here is the email from the man, named "Cal". I've sent him the photo along with others from my Sony camera so he can try to improve the accuracy of the program.

ImpulseAdventure Comment Notification‏
From: ImpulseAdventure
You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as junk
Sent: Wed 11/04/09 7:02 AM


Hi Gail -- The JPEGsnoop database is focused primarily upon standard digital cameras rather than cell phone cameras. When you take a photo with a cell phone and email it, it is quite possible that the process resizes the photo to make it more suitable for email, or else leaves an indication that looks similar to what a photo editing program might do. If you can attach a sample photo to this email, I might be able to help improve the accuracy of the program in these cases. Thanks,cal

ORIGINAL POSTING:================= I had a photo emailed to me by my son, who took the photo while standing in my living room, then emailed it directly to me. This program said there was a high probability that the photo was edited, which if it was, I don't know when my son had the chance to do that since he snapped the photo, showed it to me on his cell phone, then emailed it to me from his phone. I started checking other photos in my computer that I know are original and unaltered, yet every one of them showed up as being edited or whatever. I didn't find a single one that showed to be original or unaltered. I know they're not altered because these are my own photos of family or things around my home. Why does it show to be altered?

[John]

Hi Gail glad you could join , first hand information is always best .
John